Rowan Jacobsen took the managing editor position at The Art of Eating about two years ago. He's a good editor, pushing me in different ways than Ed, and he has a colorful writing style that I like. One of his recent articles for the magazine covered umami, the fifth taste that Westerners have just begun to discuss and study in an overt way. The Restaurant Guys had Rowan on their show to discuss the subject. That would be reason enough to listen, but the first 15 minutes focus on vinegar-making, a subject dear to my heart.